Thursday, February 9, 2012
Wednesday, February 8, 2012
Parties! Mark your calendars
Hello families!
We have TWO fun parties now on the calendar for the upcoming months.
Valentine's Day Party
Tuesday, Feb. 14th
12:00-2:00
In the usual downstairs classrooms there in the Children's Ministry building on the Vintage Faith church campus.
This is purely "socialization" time, with no specific educational goals, so please invite your homeschool friends, come and have fun! I'll try to bring a good Love story to read to the group, and will lead a little Valentine's Day craft for the older elementary kids while moms with little 'uns can hang out and chat. : )
Please Bring:
--Lunch for your family, if you wish.*
--A snack to share (and while this is the perfect time to break out the sweets, let's see if we can get a few healthy things in there too).
--Valentines! If your kids want to participate in this part of the fun, please have them bring a valentine for every child (and always wise to have a few extra).**
--Your own special Valentine's Day mailbox! This can be a decorated shoebox, a folder, a big envelope, a basket, whatever you want--as long as it can hold cards and probably a little candy. You can bring one for each child, or one for your family--you decide. It just needs to be labeled somehow, so each "delivery person" knows where to deliver his or her valentines.
(Moms, in my opinion, this is the time to let our healthy urges take the back seat, and get whatever little candy treats you remember most fondly from childhood. This is an Old School party, after all! ; )
*As always, every family should please bring their own plates, water bottles, napkins, etc. Let's strive to make all our gatherings as waste-free as possible.
**If we all RSVP in the comments below, it will help us all know about how many cards to prepare.
The Rainbow Math Party
Friday, March 16th
12:00-2:00
In the same downstairs classrooms there in the Children's Ministry building on the Vintage Faith church campus.
Years ago, our family started a tradition--when each child finishes a math book, we have a math party to celebrate! We make the color of the math book cover the theme of the party. Well, last year we finished several math books, but every time we were so busy we never stopped to have the parties! So now we are going to have one big rainbow themed party, to make up for it! And we would love to have our friends join us.
We will have some rainbow-themed activities (Becky has agreed to talk about light and the color spectrum!) and some math games. So, this party will be more structured and "educational," but we will leave time for socializing too!
To bring:
--Lunch for your family, if you wish.*
--If you choose, please bring a snack that is ONE color. Be creative! Our family will be bringing a rainbow veggie tray, and a rainbow-themed dessert--but the more snacks the better!
--If your child has a math project or math accomplishment to share, please bring it, and we will make a special "Show & Tell" time during the party so all the kids can share all their fun math learning. : )
We would love to have you join us!
Questions on either of these events? Please leave them in the comments, and I'll answer as best I can.
lisa c.
We have TWO fun parties now on the calendar for the upcoming months.
Valentine's Day Party
Tuesday, Feb. 14th
12:00-2:00
In the usual downstairs classrooms there in the Children's Ministry building on the Vintage Faith church campus.
This is purely "socialization" time, with no specific educational goals, so please invite your homeschool friends, come and have fun! I'll try to bring a good Love story to read to the group, and will lead a little Valentine's Day craft for the older elementary kids while moms with little 'uns can hang out and chat. : )
Please Bring:
--Lunch for your family, if you wish.*
--A snack to share (and while this is the perfect time to break out the sweets, let's see if we can get a few healthy things in there too).
--Valentines! If your kids want to participate in this part of the fun, please have them bring a valentine for every child (and always wise to have a few extra).**
--Your own special Valentine's Day mailbox! This can be a decorated shoebox, a folder, a big envelope, a basket, whatever you want--as long as it can hold cards and probably a little candy. You can bring one for each child, or one for your family--you decide. It just needs to be labeled somehow, so each "delivery person" knows where to deliver his or her valentines.
(Moms, in my opinion, this is the time to let our healthy urges take the back seat, and get whatever little candy treats you remember most fondly from childhood. This is an Old School party, after all! ; )
*As always, every family should please bring their own plates, water bottles, napkins, etc. Let's strive to make all our gatherings as waste-free as possible.
**If we all RSVP in the comments below, it will help us all know about how many cards to prepare.
The Rainbow Math Party
Friday, March 16th
12:00-2:00
In the same downstairs classrooms there in the Children's Ministry building on the Vintage Faith church campus.
Years ago, our family started a tradition--when each child finishes a math book, we have a math party to celebrate! We make the color of the math book cover the theme of the party. Well, last year we finished several math books, but every time we were so busy we never stopped to have the parties! So now we are going to have one big rainbow themed party, to make up for it! And we would love to have our friends join us.
We will have some rainbow-themed activities (Becky has agreed to talk about light and the color spectrum!) and some math games. So, this party will be more structured and "educational," but we will leave time for socializing too!
To bring:
--Lunch for your family, if you wish.*
--If you choose, please bring a snack that is ONE color. Be creative! Our family will be bringing a rainbow veggie tray, and a rainbow-themed dessert--but the more snacks the better!
--If your child has a math project or math accomplishment to share, please bring it, and we will make a special "Show & Tell" time during the party so all the kids can share all their fun math learning. : )
We would love to have you join us!
Questions on either of these events? Please leave them in the comments, and I'll answer as best I can.
lisa c.
a little humor for your day
From the new little humor blog Homeshool Ryan Gosling
No, really, go look. A couple of those almost made me spit out my tea.
Friday, February 3, 2012
Understood Betsy--Anyone?
Hey Vintage Moms!
I think I loaned my copy of "Understood Betsy" to one of you moms, and now I don't remember who! It is a hardback copy, and looks like this:
Although I think my cover might have reddish instead of blueish background--trying to remember!
So, anyone have this book? Hopefully my name is in it. I'd love to have it back!
Thanks! : )
lisa
I think I loaned my copy of "Understood Betsy" to one of you moms, and now I don't remember who! It is a hardback copy, and looks like this:
Although I think my cover might have reddish instead of blueish background--trying to remember!
So, anyone have this book? Hopefully my name is in it. I'd love to have it back!
Thanks! : )
lisa
Monday, January 9, 2012
Workshop on how to do a science fair project--TOMORROW
From local homeschool mom Suki:
Hi everyone,
A while back I was chatting with a mom about the science fair, which my family loves, and she suggested that it would be helpful to have a workshop that introduces parents to how to do a science fair project. My only credentials are that I'm the daughter of two scientists and my kids have taken part in the science fair for years, but it's a great topic and I'll do my best to answer your questions or help you find the answer. We'll go through the basics: what is the scientific method, what are some common pitfalls, what do judges want to see. We'll also look at the rules for our local science fair.
Science Fair Workshop
At the Discovery Learning Center - http://dlcsantacruz.org
Tuesday, 1/10 at noon
Free for supporting members, $3-5 donation requested from others
The DLC will be open for lending library hours at that time. You can bring your children to play, but we can't have them out on the structure unless there is a parent willing to watch them out there. The workshop is designed for parents, but perhaps at the end if we have time we could have a question/answer period with the kids.
Please feel free to pass this message on to other mailing lists!
Suki
Susana (Suki) Wessling
blog.SukiWessling.com
facebook.com/SukiWesslingWriter
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This sounds fabulous--I don't know if I can make it, what with little kiddos in tow, but I would if I could!
Hi everyone,
A while back I was chatting with a mom about the science fair, which my family loves, and she suggested that it would be helpful to have a workshop that introduces parents to how to do a science fair project. My only credentials are that I'm the daughter of two scientists and my kids have taken part in the science fair for years, but it's a great topic and I'll do my best to answer your questions or help you find the answer. We'll go through the basics: what is the scientific method, what are some common pitfalls, what do judges want to see. We'll also look at the rules for our local science fair.
Science Fair Workshop
At the Discovery Learning Center - http://dlcsantacruz.org
Tuesday, 1/10 at noon
Free for supporting members, $3-5 donation requested from others
The DLC will be open for lending library hours at that time. You can bring your children to play, but we can't have them out on the structure unless there is a parent willing to watch them out there. The workshop is designed for parents, but perhaps at the end if we have time we could have a question/answer period with the kids.
Please feel free to pass this message on to other mailing lists!
Suki
Susana (Suki) Wessling
blog.SukiWessling.com
facebook.com/SukiWesslingWriter
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This sounds fabulous--I don't know if I can make it, what with little kiddos in tow, but I would if I could!
Thursday, December 29, 2011
Asking for book donations
Hello all!
First, an announcement:
Please feel free to forward this e-mail to friends and other mailing lists:
Artists, artisans, and flea marketeers: Join us at our Family Flea Market to sell your wares and support the Discovery Learning Center. For a table fee of $10 per table (bring your own table), you can join our sale, find new customers, and support independent education in Santa Cruz. Our sale takes place Saturday, January 21, 9 a.m. to 1 p.m. In case of rain we will be set up under the walkway roofs.
Please contact Suki at suki@sukiwessling.com to sign up for the event. For more information about the Discovery Learning Center, please visit http://dlcsantacruz.org .
Thanks,
Suki
Susana (Suki) Wessling
blog.SukiWessling.com
facebook.com/SukiWesslingWriter
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Second, a request:
I would like to have a table at this event at which I will sell gently used children's books--the more educational the better. I have been thinking of doing this for some time, to raise a little money to give to the adoption funds of special-needs orphans in Eastern-European countries. (The plight of these children in such places is often horrendous, where children with Downs Syndrome or Cerebral Palsey are sent to live in adult mental institutions, and usually die within a few years.) I needed to purge my bookshelves anyway, which is really hard, since most of my books are great for homeschool--but I just have too many. Still, as I started culling today, I discovered that I don't have as many as I thought to sell, and at this point I will not be likely to break even, let alone make money for orphans. So, do any of you have curriculum you don't want any more, or children's books that you don't want any more? I would love to have what you don't want.
If you have books to give me, would you please let me know ASAP? If I am not going to be able to fill a table, then I want to cancel my reservation before it is too late.
Thank you all so much!
lisa
First, an announcement:
Please feel free to forward this e-mail to friends and other mailing lists:
Artists, artisans, and flea marketeers: Join us at our Family Flea Market to sell your wares and support the Discovery Learning Center. For a table fee of $10 per table (bring your own table), you can join our sale, find new customers, and support independent education in Santa Cruz. Our sale takes place Saturday, January 21, 9 a.m. to 1 p.m. In case of rain we will be set up under the walkway roofs.
Please contact Suki at suki@sukiwessling.com to sign up for the event. For more information about the Discovery Learning Center, please visit http://dlcsantacruz.org .
Thanks,
Suki
Susana (Suki) Wessling
blog.SukiWessling.com
facebook.com/SukiWesslingWriter
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Second, a request:
I would like to have a table at this event at which I will sell gently used children's books--the more educational the better. I have been thinking of doing this for some time, to raise a little money to give to the adoption funds of special-needs orphans in Eastern-European countries. (The plight of these children in such places is often horrendous, where children with Downs Syndrome or Cerebral Palsey are sent to live in adult mental institutions, and usually die within a few years.) I needed to purge my bookshelves anyway, which is really hard, since most of my books are great for homeschool--but I just have too many. Still, as I started culling today, I discovered that I don't have as many as I thought to sell, and at this point I will not be likely to break even, let alone make money for orphans. So, do any of you have curriculum you don't want any more, or children's books that you don't want any more? I would love to have what you don't want.
If you have books to give me, would you please let me know ASAP? If I am not going to be able to fill a table, then I want to cancel my reservation before it is too late.
Thank you all so much!
lisa
Wednesday, December 14, 2011
On our Christmas party and sharing the fun with the greater SC community
Hello Moms!
So, I have had a very interesting exchange today via emails with the local Santa Cruz Homeschool Yahoo group (my main source of info for all things homeschool in this area--which I why I occassionally quote good stuff from the group here, for the benefit of you all). As most of you know, when we have a special "Vintage Homeschool Group" event and I tell you all to invite friends, I also send an invite to all the families on the Santa Cruz Homeschool Yahoo group. This is usually for the "Back to School," "End of School," "Valentine's Day," and "Christmas" parties. Do you remember Hilary who came a couple of times with her son, or Zan who came a couple of times with her son and daughter, or Susan who came once with her young son and daughter? These are just some of the people who have visited our parties from the greater SC homeschool community to be friendly and join in the fun. I am so glad they did, and I hope they felt welcome.
Well, today I posted a group-wide invitation to our Christmas party. What follows are the emails that came as a response this afternoon. I'll explain at the end why I am sharing this dialogue with you all, but I think you will be able to figure it out:
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Hello all!
Our Vintage Homeschool Moms group is having our annual Christmas party next Monday, Dec. 19 from noon until 2:30 there at Vintage Faith Church in S.C.
All familes are welcome!
Please check out this link for more details: http://vintagemoms.blogspot.com/2011/12/old-school-monday-christmas-party-is-on.html
Hope the rest of your week is a merry one! : )
lisa c-------
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I was wanting to find out more about the Vintage Faith Church a
while back when some friends were talking about the Abbey
coffeehouse the church runs, and was very disappointed to find out --
from the web site and from reviews of a book by the pastor -- that
they are anti-gay. Would "All families are welcome" really apply to
all the local two-mom homeschooling families and LGBT homeschooling
teens I know?
In general Santa Cruz has a lot of LGBT-inclusive and welcoming
churches and other houses of worship -- just for one small example,
it is my experience as a person who has danced in both the Downtown
Santa Cruz Holiday Parade and the Santa Cruz Pride Parade that the
latter has a lot more churches in it -- so yes, it was an unpleasant
surprise that a church that seems to want to make a big deal of
having a hip coffeehouse would not be included in that number.
I hope we will all remember that homeschooling families are a
diverse group.
T--- T------
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Hi T---,
Thanks for your honest and sincere email response to my invite. The Vintage Homeschool Moms group is just that--a bunch of moms who enjoy getting together to have fun and encourage one another in our homeschooling and parenting. The Christmas party is not a church-sponsored event, but we routinely use the Vintage Faith Church classrooms for our gatherings, since they have such great facilities (like a bathroom in the classroom, the gym for the kids to run around in, etc.). We call ourselves "Vintage Homeschool Moms" just because most of us happen to be, but we have families from other churches join us, and have welcomed Jewish, agnostic, and atheist parents as well. I am the organizer for most of the gatherings we have, and I love to invite new people--you never know who might really want to get their kids out of the house for a fun, casual event with other homeschool kids, or what mom might be struggling and need a few kind words. : )
So, we do not claim to represent the overall Vintage Faith Church, and I am sure all of us moms in the group have different opinions about all aspects of life, just like all of us here on the homeschool group forum do. I can't speak for any of the other moms (or dads, who are welcome and sometimes come too!), but I personally welcome any homeschool family who feels comfortable with us. What I can speak for the other moms about is that yes, most of us are trying to live as followers of Jesus Christ, and believe each and every person is a unique, valuable creation worthy of love and respect.
You are right that this will not be an all-inclusive gathering, in the sense that we will be celebrating "Christmas" and not "the Holidays" and God might very well come up in the conversation as moms chat. ; ) I posted the invite with the assumption that anyone who wants to avoid such things would simply disregard it. But it will not be a religious gathering in nature (i.e. other than the fact that Christmas is what it is, we are not out to convert you), and so I invite anyone who is comfortable with such a dynamic to please feel free to join us.
lisa
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Wow, thanks for doing the research T---. I'll look into this too. I've been to The Abbey twice to knit with a friend, just assuming they were friendly. As another lesbian mom, I won't be spending my money there anymore.
A--
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Hi Lisa,
I was confused by some parts of your reply (below), so I was hoping you could clarify a few things:
- Is T--- correct that this church has an anti-gay theology? I understand that your group is not church-sponsored, but some might consider this information relevant in deciding whether to attend an event at their facility.
- You said that most of the members of the group are in fact members of the church. Does the group have an explicit understanding that gay families are welcome and will not be subjected to anti-gay attitudes? If not, a reasonable person might assume that the stance of the church is the (unspoken) stance of the group.
- Statements like "every person is a unique, valuable creation worthy of love and respect" are often code for "hate the sin, love the sinner." Is this in fact what you meant to convey?
We are indeed a diverse group, and should be free to announce gatherings etc. that would not suit all of us. I do think, however, that accurate information about the nature of a group would be helpful.
Thanks in advance for clarifying,
M--
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Speaking as an all inclusive mom, I feel that you both are being very unfair with your expectations and judgements. I also feel the tones of your reply/comments are very negative and unaccepting themselves. Let us keep our personal feelings aside and ask objective questions with the expectation of a reasonable answer.
Sent from my LG phone
[no name given]
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If you are referring to my comment, I don't see how declaring that I won't spend money in a cafe that funds an anti-gay church is being unfair to anyone, least of all Lisa, who wasn't representing The Abbey. I want all homeschoolers to feel welcome posting here, but I also want to be reasonably informed about the politics/religious leanings of any group or event I choose to attend, so I welcome the discussion that has followed Lisa's posting.
A--
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Hi M--,
Your questions are reasonable. I was trying to avoid speaking for the overall church, for several reasons. Mainly I don't feel qualified to speak for the church, so hope all of you who are really interested in knowing the church's stance on such issues will go directly to the source, and call and set up a meeting with one of the pastors. D-- K------ is the pastor who I think T--- was referencing in her email, and he is a very sensitive man who is always available for such discussions. If you would prefer to speak with a woman, K------ J----- is not a pastor, but is one of the members at the heart of the church. I understand why some of you want to know the church's stance on gender identity, GLBT families, etc., esp. in regards to the Abbey coffeelounge, since we all want to support business (or in this case, non-profits) that align with our personal values.
I tried to be clear that I was not speaking for the other moms/families in the Vintage homeschool moms group, but you are raising an excellent question about whether or not the other moms would welcome gay/lesbian families. To be candid, I don't know. What I do know is that they have welcomed every other family who has come, and I will never invite the greater homeschool community to an event that is specifically religious in nature or at which they might not be welcome.
I do want to address your question about whether my statement "every person is a unique, valuable creation worthy of love and respect" was code for "hate the sin, love the sinner." While every single word I chose is loaded with meaning, and intentionally so, please take them together in their most beautiful, person-affirming way. I personally respect people of all faiths, cultural backgrounds, etc, and hope those of you who know me even a little in person would agree that I live out these beliefs. (I feel like I am supposed to whip out my "diversity portfolio" at this point, or show you my gay and lesbian parent personal references. ; )
I am not offended that you are asking, esp. since I am sure others are wondering at this point, although it is certainly uncomfortable. I enjoy being a part of this homeschool group because it represents the whole broad spectrum of our greater Santa Cruz area, and in fact do not choose to participate in groups that purposefully exclude a variety of world views. But within this group, I hope there is enough room on the spectrum of ideas for mine too. It is healthy and wise for such a group to avoid entangements that come with seeming to promote certain views above others. I have been sharing only those events and ideas that seemed to be relevant to the greater homeschool community.
So, everyone, do my clarifications and assurances here suffice? Do we all agree with M--'s statement that "We are indeed a diverse group, and should be free to announce gatherings etc. that would not suit all of us"?
Ironically, I have to run to church now. ; ) But please feel free to email again if we need to further the dialogue.
lisa
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That was all the emailing that happened today. If more views come forth, I will add them to this post, because I think this is an important dialogue that you all should be aware of, since it concerns you specifically.
Tonight when I was at the kid's choir practice, I had a chance to share some of this with a few of you, and was so glad to get the response I expected from you, which was that you were unhesitatingly willing and even glad to open our special events to all homeschool families, and only hoped that any who came would be as willing to tolerate our views as we would be willing to tolerate their views.
I think it was actually really cool that such a conversation happened in that public forum--that people were talking about churches being welcoming or not, Christians being loving to others or not, esp. those with whom they might disagree. I am sure not only the parents who participated in this dialogue thought about the implications, but surely so did all the parents who just read the responses and did not chime in.
I want you all to have the same chance, to think about these things, and what response we as a body of believers in Jesus Christ should have to our surrounding community. I do hope that us Christian homeschool moms (wherever we are!) would genuinely welcome any family who we encounter--that we can love them without fear, from the fullness of Christ's love for them.
Since the SC Homeschooling group has been given this blog link for the information about the party, I have written this with the expectation that some of the readers might be more curious about us after the email exchange and might stop by this blog. I hope whatever we say here will reflect who we really are, and we will be seen for the friendly bunch we are. So, please feel free to comment, and "let your gentleness be evident to all--the Lord is near." : )
much love to you all,
lisa
So, I have had a very interesting exchange today via emails with the local Santa Cruz Homeschool Yahoo group (my main source of info for all things homeschool in this area--which I why I occassionally quote good stuff from the group here, for the benefit of you all). As most of you know, when we have a special "Vintage Homeschool Group" event and I tell you all to invite friends, I also send an invite to all the families on the Santa Cruz Homeschool Yahoo group. This is usually for the "Back to School," "End of School," "Valentine's Day," and "Christmas" parties. Do you remember Hilary who came a couple of times with her son, or Zan who came a couple of times with her son and daughter, or Susan who came once with her young son and daughter? These are just some of the people who have visited our parties from the greater SC homeschool community to be friendly and join in the fun. I am so glad they did, and I hope they felt welcome.
Well, today I posted a group-wide invitation to our Christmas party. What follows are the emails that came as a response this afternoon. I'll explain at the end why I am sharing this dialogue with you all, but I think you will be able to figure it out:
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Hello all!
Our Vintage Homeschool Moms group is having our annual Christmas party next Monday, Dec. 19 from noon until 2:30 there at Vintage Faith Church in S.C.
All familes are welcome!
Please check out this link for more details: http://vintagemoms.blogspot.com/2011/12/old-school-monday-christmas-party-is-on.html
Hope the rest of your week is a merry one! : )
lisa c-------
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I was wanting to find out more about the Vintage Faith Church a
while back when some friends were talking about the Abbey
coffeehouse the church runs, and was very disappointed to find out --
from the web site and from reviews of a book by the pastor -- that
they are anti-gay. Would "All families are welcome" really apply to
all the local two-mom homeschooling families and LGBT homeschooling
teens I know?
In general Santa Cruz has a lot of LGBT-inclusive and welcoming
churches and other houses of worship -- just for one small example,
it is my experience as a person who has danced in both the Downtown
Santa Cruz Holiday Parade and the Santa Cruz Pride Parade that the
latter has a lot more churches in it -- so yes, it was an unpleasant
surprise that a church that seems to want to make a big deal of
having a hip coffeehouse would not be included in that number.
I hope we will all remember that homeschooling families are a
diverse group.
T--- T------
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Hi T---,
Thanks for your honest and sincere email response to my invite. The Vintage Homeschool Moms group is just that--a bunch of moms who enjoy getting together to have fun and encourage one another in our homeschooling and parenting. The Christmas party is not a church-sponsored event, but we routinely use the Vintage Faith Church classrooms for our gatherings, since they have such great facilities (like a bathroom in the classroom, the gym for the kids to run around in, etc.). We call ourselves "Vintage Homeschool Moms" just because most of us happen to be, but we have families from other churches join us, and have welcomed Jewish, agnostic, and atheist parents as well. I am the organizer for most of the gatherings we have, and I love to invite new people--you never know who might really want to get their kids out of the house for a fun, casual event with other homeschool kids, or what mom might be struggling and need a few kind words. : )
So, we do not claim to represent the overall Vintage Faith Church, and I am sure all of us moms in the group have different opinions about all aspects of life, just like all of us here on the homeschool group forum do. I can't speak for any of the other moms (or dads, who are welcome and sometimes come too!), but I personally welcome any homeschool family who feels comfortable with us. What I can speak for the other moms about is that yes, most of us are trying to live as followers of Jesus Christ, and believe each and every person is a unique, valuable creation worthy of love and respect.
You are right that this will not be an all-inclusive gathering, in the sense that we will be celebrating "Christmas" and not "the Holidays" and God might very well come up in the conversation as moms chat. ; ) I posted the invite with the assumption that anyone who wants to avoid such things would simply disregard it. But it will not be a religious gathering in nature (i.e. other than the fact that Christmas is what it is, we are not out to convert you), and so I invite anyone who is comfortable with such a dynamic to please feel free to join us.
lisa
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Wow, thanks for doing the research T---. I'll look into this too. I've been to The Abbey twice to knit with a friend, just assuming they were friendly. As another lesbian mom, I won't be spending my money there anymore.
A--
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Hi Lisa,
I was confused by some parts of your reply (below), so I was hoping you could clarify a few things:
- Is T--- correct that this church has an anti-gay theology? I understand that your group is not church-sponsored, but some might consider this information relevant in deciding whether to attend an event at their facility.
- You said that most of the members of the group are in fact members of the church. Does the group have an explicit understanding that gay families are welcome and will not be subjected to anti-gay attitudes? If not, a reasonable person might assume that the stance of the church is the (unspoken) stance of the group.
- Statements like "every person is a unique, valuable creation worthy of love and respect" are often code for "hate the sin, love the sinner." Is this in fact what you meant to convey?
We are indeed a diverse group, and should be free to announce gatherings etc. that would not suit all of us. I do think, however, that accurate information about the nature of a group would be helpful.
Thanks in advance for clarifying,
M--
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Speaking as an all inclusive mom, I feel that you both are being very unfair with your expectations and judgements. I also feel the tones of your reply/comments are very negative and unaccepting themselves. Let us keep our personal feelings aside and ask objective questions with the expectation of a reasonable answer.
Sent from my LG phone
[no name given]
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If you are referring to my comment, I don't see how declaring that I won't spend money in a cafe that funds an anti-gay church is being unfair to anyone, least of all Lisa, who wasn't representing The Abbey. I want all homeschoolers to feel welcome posting here, but I also want to be reasonably informed about the politics/religious leanings of any group or event I choose to attend, so I welcome the discussion that has followed Lisa's posting.
A--
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Hi M--,
Your questions are reasonable. I was trying to avoid speaking for the overall church, for several reasons. Mainly I don't feel qualified to speak for the church, so hope all of you who are really interested in knowing the church's stance on such issues will go directly to the source, and call and set up a meeting with one of the pastors. D-- K------ is the pastor who I think T--- was referencing in her email, and he is a very sensitive man who is always available for such discussions. If you would prefer to speak with a woman, K------ J----- is not a pastor, but is one of the members at the heart of the church. I understand why some of you want to know the church's stance on gender identity, GLBT families, etc., esp. in regards to the Abbey coffeelounge, since we all want to support business (or in this case, non-profits) that align with our personal values.
I tried to be clear that I was not speaking for the other moms/families in the Vintage homeschool moms group, but you are raising an excellent question about whether or not the other moms would welcome gay/lesbian families. To be candid, I don't know. What I do know is that they have welcomed every other family who has come, and I will never invite the greater homeschool community to an event that is specifically religious in nature or at which they might not be welcome.
I do want to address your question about whether my statement "every person is a unique, valuable creation worthy of love and respect" was code for "hate the sin, love the sinner." While every single word I chose is loaded with meaning, and intentionally so, please take them together in their most beautiful, person-affirming way. I personally respect people of all faiths, cultural backgrounds, etc, and hope those of you who know me even a little in person would agree that I live out these beliefs. (I feel like I am supposed to whip out my "diversity portfolio" at this point, or show you my gay and lesbian parent personal references. ; )
I am not offended that you are asking, esp. since I am sure others are wondering at this point, although it is certainly uncomfortable. I enjoy being a part of this homeschool group because it represents the whole broad spectrum of our greater Santa Cruz area, and in fact do not choose to participate in groups that purposefully exclude a variety of world views. But within this group, I hope there is enough room on the spectrum of ideas for mine too. It is healthy and wise for such a group to avoid entangements that come with seeming to promote certain views above others. I have been sharing only those events and ideas that seemed to be relevant to the greater homeschool community.
So, everyone, do my clarifications and assurances here suffice? Do we all agree with M--'s statement that "We are indeed a diverse group, and should be free to announce gatherings etc. that would not suit all of us"?
Ironically, I have to run to church now. ; ) But please feel free to email again if we need to further the dialogue.
lisa
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That was all the emailing that happened today. If more views come forth, I will add them to this post, because I think this is an important dialogue that you all should be aware of, since it concerns you specifically.
Tonight when I was at the kid's choir practice, I had a chance to share some of this with a few of you, and was so glad to get the response I expected from you, which was that you were unhesitatingly willing and even glad to open our special events to all homeschool families, and only hoped that any who came would be as willing to tolerate our views as we would be willing to tolerate their views.
I think it was actually really cool that such a conversation happened in that public forum--that people were talking about churches being welcoming or not, Christians being loving to others or not, esp. those with whom they might disagree. I am sure not only the parents who participated in this dialogue thought about the implications, but surely so did all the parents who just read the responses and did not chime in.
I want you all to have the same chance, to think about these things, and what response we as a body of believers in Jesus Christ should have to our surrounding community. I do hope that us Christian homeschool moms (wherever we are!) would genuinely welcome any family who we encounter--that we can love them without fear, from the fullness of Christ's love for them.
Since the SC Homeschooling group has been given this blog link for the information about the party, I have written this with the expectation that some of the readers might be more curious about us after the email exchange and might stop by this blog. I hope whatever we say here will reflect who we really are, and we will be seen for the friendly bunch we are. So, please feel free to comment, and "let your gentleness be evident to all--the Lord is near." : )
much love to you all,
lisa
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